evidence text part 1

read it to see me read way too much into dumb webcomics

—HOMESTUCK THEORY EVIDENCE FILE—

homestuck reread started from act 2
looking for: mentions of magic, realness or lack thereof of magic, things that are definitely magic (not video game logic), characters’ belief or lack thereof in magic, magic’s realness value having an influence on the plot, people believing in things, especially magic or other characters
horses
hussie, mostly evidence for his aliveness or deadness
also maybe evidence for homestuck being fictional (like characters reading homestuck etc)

john’s general interest in magic in act 1? notably card tricks etc, not “real” magic
also rose’s interest in magic, and mostly being the character who does magic, despitee later stating she doesn’t care if it’s real or not

002153 continuosly clicking on john seems to result in a conversation between wv and hussie?? also hussie apparently cannot control john directly (if this is indeed a very early instance of authorial self insertion) only wv can. maybe wv’s moniter thing acts kind of like those things on caliborn’s land.

002167 more of hussie talking directly to wv? “Just one ==> command will suffice. Thanks. ”

002193 “GG: i dont know john maybe this is your destiny
GG: if anyone can save the world i think it is probably you! ”
later note (002973) jade is dreaming when she says this

002259 wizard statue is described similarly to how the horrorterrors are described, except rose “hates” wizards

002323 onwards- the whole idea that skaia pushes that the player is important, ie how nothing happens until they show up (kings locked in stalemate etc) maybe it pushing that the player is important, everything is about them, etc, is sort of to get them to believe in themself?? because skaia certainly believes in its heroes

002659 “John, if only you knew how important you were!” nanna’s letter to john

002665 and a few pages previous- jade knows she has been “named” farmstink buttlass and has prepared a note to tell the reader she is called jade- direct interaction between a character and the reader (possibly she saw these pages of homestuck in the clouds? can you see homestuck in the clouds?? john saw hussie making out with rufio so maybe) (although i actually don’t know if that was taking place out of the comic, it could have been in the furthest ring or something) (see dead hussie thory)

note: jade seems to accept all abnormalities caused by magic, science, game mechanics, being fictional, etc as normal (unlike dave who notices them and is freaked out by them) so she may be aware that she’s fictional, but has just never mentioned it??

002703 first appearence of the magic cue ball. is this thing magic?? should be noted that on the previous page jade said everything in the chest was bogus

002704 jade “proves” that the magic 8 ball is a pos by asking it whether john’s bday is today. it answers “not exactly” which unbeknownst to jade is actually true- are all the magic 8 balls actually working magic??? notes on next page she doesn’t actually diss the cue ball’s predictive abilities

002708 jade interacts with the reader. this is really blatant.

002731 homosuck???? note “just finishing off some sort of weird tangential intermission here. Whatever it was, it clearly advanced the plot in no relevant way whatsoever.”

random note: are the spirographs relevant?

002819 is jade acting like her grandpa is alive? (terezi imaginary friend theory) believing he’s alive?? well i guess jake is currently alive so there’s that. it’s kind of tenous evidence though.

002839 rose is having one of her “sessions” with jaspers. believing he can talk?? and later jaspersprite can talk?? once again tenuous evidence but it could be a link (also both grandpa and jaspers spent time being dead before being what jade/rose believed them to be)
also did we ever find out what jaspers’ secret was
and how did he reveal this secret could he actually talk pre-sprite
hm

page “pony” from jaspers flash: where does this occur? also does maplehoof count as a “beautiful white horse”? what about minihoof?

002848 john genuinely believed his dad was a street performer, but that didn’t make it true

002853 first sighting of hussie!

002854 hussie doesn’t name jack, instead asks for his name and rank- doesn’t know his name?

002855 “your FOURTH WALL was stolen some time ago.” ahahahahaha

002903 john was completely unaware of the graffiti on his posters until rose pointed them out/he went into his dad’s room. idk how this is relevant but i think it is. (actually… his revelation that something he believed to be true wasn’t led to something previously invisible becoming obvious) (idk)

002923 rose comments that ^ probably changed john’s perception (changed his beliefs?)

actually at this point i might as well note that john believing something about his dad did not make it true, seeing as that’s the theory i’m going for here. interesting to note in relation to how like in one of the act 6 intermissions john very emphatically believed in magic. so i’m putting my money on jake rn. maybe with moral support from john.

002979 the harpoon gun looks like it could be alchemized with something to produce ahab’s crosshairs. maybe related to how eridan gave ahab’s crosshairs to jade and she left it out. (also i’m p sure there’s someone else who has ahab’s crosshairs but i can’t remember who)

003049 WAS THAT ROXY’S MODUS???? brb rewatching to check (also wow [s] enter is awesome) – yeah it kind of was, the entry item bottle came from a wine rack type thing like roxy’s modus. as opposed to john’s which grew on an apple tree

003139 ss thinks die’s voodoo doll could help him kill le

003234 hb gets punched into a horse calendar. this is almost certainly entirely irrelevant, but you never know

we really still don’t understand a lot from the end of the intermission
obv. the safe is the entrance to one of those things that the exiles use post-entry, but why is it le’s safe? also it’s locked, none of the others we’ve seen were locked.

003252 it’s that thing. what is that thing.looks kind of like a necklace. could maybe be like the spirograph key, but for alternia?? idk. all i know is it appears here and in openbound and nowhere else, so it’s going to be incredibly relevant somehow. probably relates to horses in that case.

003256 once again in homosuck’s style, but this bit has definitely not happened in homosuck. but given it’s JUST AFTER a whole long thing about lord english, and caliborn writes/wrote homosuck, it’s probably related. it does seem slightly better-drawn than homosuck tends to be, though.

003258 first (?) mention of majyyks- salamander says “on account of a series of mysterious and arcane wytchkraft-majyspelles. haha just kidding. i have no idea” seems to be saying majykks as a joke, ie not real magic

003259 what is that laser i don’t remember that

003260 never mind, apparently the worm sentries can shoot lasers

003291 jade’s dream self did not know what sburb was. maybe being (sort of) a creation of the game at that point led her to not know it was a game? like the carapacians etc don’t realise they’re npcs (although no one has yet realised they are fictional, so shrugging emoticon)

what if you prototyped the kernelsprite with a sburb server/client disk
no seriously what would happen
like logically if this game was made by people there would be something to stop that from happening but since the game is predestined, that would only happen if skaia said it was going to
damn that would be an interesting session

would prototyping with an alive thing do anything different to with a dead thing
like there were alive crows all over the place, what if jade had prototyed with one of them instead of seppucrow
apart from the lack of sword i mean

003371 do we know the whole story of why/how grandpa’s there yet? (wait doesn’t it have something to do with the transportalisers under the elevator in the frog temple or s/t)

003387 john uses the breeze for the first time. aaw. he doesn’t realise (believe?) he’s doing it

003399 another phrase repeated a lot is “a mother will do whatever is best for her children” first said here, idk how it’s relevant other than how it already has been though

actually about entry items, maybe the represent something?? idk
john has tree + apple
rose has wine rack + alcohol
dave has crow + egg
i can’t get anything from this sorry

003505 has the ultimate alchemy come up yet bc i don’t remember frog breeding needing alchemizing, just frog catching

003509 interesting that despite both being dersites and wq being prospitian, wv and ar view her with respect and make her a crown so she can be their queen
this is yet more evidence for the complete lack of animosity between prospit and derse
seriously there is almost no basis for a war here
see also how while pm was nervous on derse, bq helpfully gave her directions and she seemed to suffer nothing from being prospitian (although she was scared of ar and described him as “dangerous” i think)

003518 john getting the bunny is more important than the whole prospitian monarchy
the game really thinks the heroes are important huh

003522 YOU GO PM BE THE PROSPITIAN MONARCH IT IS YOU

003526 “ROSE: Jaspers, the message you gave me years ago before you disappeared…
ROSE: What did you mean?
JASPERSPRITE: Meow. ”
what if the message was meow (the meow code??) (has this been explained in canon or) (i d k)

003526 just copying rose’s quest here, bc she never got around to it and she might do it later, or not, or it could be relevant in the alpha session
JASPERSPRITE: All the life in the ocean and all the shiny rain and the songs in your head and the letters they make.
JASPERSPRITE: A beam of light i think is like a drop of rain or a long piece of yarn that dances around when you play with it and make it look enticing!
JASPERSPRITE: And the way that it shakes is the same as what makes notes in a song!
JASPERSPRITE: And a song i think can be written down as letters.
JASPERSPRITE: So if you play the right song and it makes all the right letters then those letters could be all the letters that make life possible.
JASPERSPRITE: So all you have to do is wake up and learn to play the rain!
doing this line by line…
all the life in the ocean (which is currently dead, presumably due to denizen), all the rain/clouds (shiny/rainbow??) (a rainbow is made from light and rain), the songs in your head (apart from wq this has not happened yet i’m pretty sure),and the letters they make (also has not happened yet)
a beam of light (like the rain from the clouds) is like a drop of rain (see waht was i saying) or a long piece of yarn that dances around when you play with it (to do with jaspers being a cat, or rose’s choice of weapon?? who knows) (although jaspers was dead long before rose learned to knit, so possibly more likely the second one)
apparently this is like notes in a song. so, the way the rain falls (and what colour it is maybe?? or the way the light refracts through it) could be converted into an audio wavelength, maybe. the rain seems to be almost exclusively cyan, yellow, and pink (although the clouds contain a fair bit of green). white is also fairly prominent in rose’s land. maybe that means there are only three main colours/wavelengths/sounds/?letters in the song. although it should be noted that cyan, magenta, and yellow can be mixed (remixed?) into almost all colours (you’d need black for all). so maybe more than three.
and a song can be written down as letters. generally a,b,c,d,e,f,g, however it could be different. (ait a second. wasn’t there a legend of zelda game where you played an instrument? and the controls were like ^v<> A B and stuff. that could be a thing. idk if there’s been any other loz references though. “so if you play the right song and it makes all the right letters” if you make the right words/phrase/sentence and convert that into sound, and play that song, then yeah??? and “those letters could be all the letters that make life possible”. first thing that springs to mind is GCAT, because of genetics. also MEOW and BARK. possibly also FROG or maybe SBURB, idk. (SKAIA?) none of these fit into what i know of music, however. also possibly “makes life possible” could relate to making rose’s denizen stop killing all the fish and stuff, which would seem more likely with this being a denizen quest and stuff. so possibly the song would wake up the denizen so rose can kill it.
so in conclusion rose’s quest is to hear a song in her head/read some music off the rain (idk this bit is kind of unclear) and compose a song which translates to a word/sentence/phrase that either wakes up the denizen so rose can kill it and allow the fish to stop being dead, or allows the frog breeding (???? so unsure about this) to be successful/causes them to “make life possible”
actually if rose’s quest results in playing the rain so that the “right” letters happen and those are the letters that make life possible
that actually sounds like they could be doomed until rose completes her quest if life (a good result? a result where everyone lives? jane not being evil? a viable universe frog?) is not possible until then. wow, rose better get on to that. unless i’m reading *way* too far into everything. although “all the letters that make life possible” still sounds like genetics/GCAT/MEOW/BARK/t1CKt0ck8r8kH34DShonkHONK to me

003537 “her magic stupid quest” is how dave describes rose’s quest.

003543 TG: the thing with time travel is
TG: you cant overthink it
TG: just roll with it and see what happens
TG: and above all try not to do anything retarded
maybe relevant considering his later comments re time travel?

003555 i’m pretty sure this is permadeath (like she gets the memories in alpha dream rose but if there was no dream self it would be permadeath) (actually never mind it’s only permadeath because the dream bubbles don’t exist yet) (wait never mind again it’s not permadeath bc the john who died on this timeline was in the dream bubbles) (but this is ceasing to exist so idk)

003567 karkat says the game makes the sprite withhold info to make the game seem more “MAAAAAAGICAL!!!!” seems to be indicating magic in this game is fake.

003568 jaspers’ secret was MEOW. rose realises it means GCAT.

003570 first sighting of hussie. no indication of aliveness whatsoever.

003574 hussie says rose needs to “learn to play the rain to produce the musical analogue of a genetic code to reintroduce life into the ocean.”

003578 hussie doesn’t say “majyyk” but he says a bunch of stuff like that.

003582 THE FOURTH WALL IS TRANSPARENT
LIKE THE PLOT HOLE
????????!!!!!?? WHAT

003592 “no offense, but do you think i could talk to the real dave” john no

003600 the crows are even in dream dave’s room, how did they get there
also if dream cal can move round on its own, and dream cal ends up being the cal bro had, doesn’t that mean cal can move independently?? not just by bro’s flashstepping
that is so creepy

003604 ok dream dave’s room is an exact replica of his real room, i can’t remember if everyone else’s room is like that but i think not
if not then why

003611 john does a chaos dunk. has anyone else done a chaos dunk any other time in homestuck?? also it seems kind of grimdark and apparently “Millions would have perished, if everything in the ocean weren’t dead already” so uh this seems like it might be relevant later

003662 there are a bunch of dead trees on rose’s land. links to locah?? “we wait for she who would breed lilacs from the dead land” both lolar and locah (although locah less so after trickster thing) could be called dead (locah is more suitable for lilacs though)

003710 the needlewands “crackle with the majyyk enyrjjies” and seem to be actually magical (at least rose does stuff that looks like magic with them i think) (unless she upgrades straight to the grimdark needles idk)

003712 yeah she makes the thorns of oglogoth right after (maybe the horrorterrory stuff is what makes it magic? but she crossed the wizard statue with the ball of wool and it made specifically magical wool, adn did the same with the knitting needles to make the “majyyk” needlewands, so)

003717 there are frogs here!!! they look kinda not real somehow though

003752 rose’s wizardfic. the whole thing could be considered magic/majyyk stuff. it should be noted though frigglish is in possession of a clock that seems to tick loudly and is described as gaudy. zazzerpan doesnt’ like it. also it’’s magic (hmmm i wonder what this could be. seems relevant what with clocks and all. maybe the just/brave clock?? but that would be too big to hang around your neck. idk.) also they seem to be discussing a mass murder, possibly by calmasis. according to the wiki rose wrote a representaton of the beta trolls’ session but i don’t really see evidence for that. there isnt’ really clear evidence for a relation to calliope/calliborn either though. also it might be relevant that apparently it is unthinkable that one of the wizards’ disciples might turn against them even though this is what happened.

003842 rose uses “a spell” to put the walkthrough on a server in the furthest ring. this seems like magic facilitated by the horrorterrors.
also she says “in case it wasn’t clear, magic is real.” at this point rose believes in magic.

003862 says “check”. i don’t really understand why. like i sort of do but sort of don’t.

003888 hussie says rose used magic to put the walkthrough in the furthest ring
also someone got jake to make the bunny, who was that

003890 alternia is “forgotten in time” apparently

003958 terezi’s lusus dreams about human babies and terezi knows about this
what other stuff would terezi know about from this source??
(she thinks babies aren’t real though)

003982 TA: iit2 kiind of liike how a prophet earn2 hii2 2triipe2, by beiing bliind, liike how an angel earn2 iit2 wiing2.
GC: WH4TS 4N 4NG3L
TA: 2ome terriible mythiical demon.
TA: wiith the2e awful feathery wiing2.
GC: Y1K3S
TA: paradox 2pace u2e2 them two u2her iin the end.
GC: HOW DO3S 1T KNOW WH4T 4NG3L TO US3… ……..
TA: huh??
ok i don’t understand this conversation so obviously it is very important
also “the end” is this like the end of everything (which seems to be what it’s implying) or like the end of the game or something??
actually “which angel” aren’t eridan’s angels black and jake’s white, could this be what it means
also where did that come from terezi two seconds ago you hadn’t even heard of angels

003985 aradia basically quotes doc scratch

003992 hussie may be stating that he (and possibly the reader) have vision omnipresent. “But Sollux, even with his vision twofold, does not have the perceptional luxuries of our vision omnipresent.”

004001 tavros: you believe in FAIRIES, even though they AREN’T REAL.
but with god tier trolls, they’re p much fairies
like why else would they have fairy wings
so fairies are real even though tavros believes in them and says they aren’t real?? also the whole peter pan fairy thing had stuff to do with belief didn’t it.

004022 rufio is tavros’ self esteem and vriska says this: (relevant: that theory about terezi “seeing” imaginary people, eg rufio, as real.)
“AG: Haha! So he’s imaginary! A fake.
AG: Like a made up friend, the way fairies are.
AG: Made up make believe fakey fake fakes. ”
but rufioh is real

004025 where does the doomsday scale come from and why is there a mother grub skull/dragonmom’s egg on it

004026 dragons are specifically stated to be real

004029 what does the spirograph doomsday thing say on it anyway
actually on the next page i think it’s a countdown which counts down to doomsday

004034 aradia is operating on the instructions of her ancestors- handmaid (would be then under orders from le)/damara
aradia no those are bad people to take orders from

004068 according to aradia about tavros’ boy skylark class-
“AA: n0ne 0f the really useful c0mbat abilities c0me int0 play until y0u reach a very high level
AA: but i supp0se it will be rewarding when y0u get there”
which seems to fit with what we know about pages

004085 there’s a music box here in the ruins of aradia’s hive. could be relevant?

004099 vriska “Of course with the luck you’ve had lately, you couldn’t make a good roll to save your life.” is this gonna be relevant
also has vriska’s luck improved since then

004102 “If you acknowledge this amnesty and regard it as sincere, you may begin to find the odds falling in your favor again. ” does doc scratch control luck or something (actually, come to think of it, clover and doc scratch are both members of the felt, and clover was vriska’s exile i think, so there could be connections)
“Though the magnitude of the ensuing destruction resulting directly from your actions will be neither possible or necessary for you to fathom, there nevertheless ought to be a silver lining.
The only question is whether you will live long enough to see it. ”
i have no idea how this is relevant to anything but doc scratch said it and it sounds important so i’ll just leave it here

004104 kanaya says she doesn’t think that either vriska’s bad luck or karkat’s curse are real, just their own perceptions-
“GA: And Karkats Notion Of A Curse Is Inseparable From His Perception Of Events As Intrinsically Negative And As Tailored To His Personal Dissatisfaction
GA: And Your Bad Luck Is The Same Way
GA: I Believe Anyway ”
is magic similar maybe? idk sounds kinda farfetched

004143 observation: doc scratch’s text bubble notification thing kind of looks like his head

004144 AG: I’m 8eginning to think you really 8elieve that! So delusion8l. You’re just a path8tic, lonely gamer who 8uys into his own character profile 8S.
The omniscient have no need for beliefs and no room for delusion.
??????

004153 hussie can’t control doc scratch

004160 there are rumoured to be many magic cue balls hidden across alternia

004170 “Maybe the only way to beat your bad luck is not caring about the outcome.”

004195 ships on nepeta’s shipping wall, and whether any of them have become canon: vriska/karkat?? with “oh nooooooo”- not canon so far at all
catnip- “oh yessssss!” not canon sorry nepeta
aradia/someone- idk
aradia/equius- nepeta has just circled this as being canon after watching aradiabot kiss equius- don’t think it’s currently canon
there’s a ship involving terezi and one involving tavros but you can’t see who the other person is
terezi/gamzee- “probably not!” they become canon kismeses though
kanaya/tavros- nepeta what are you thinking with this
pale gamkar- “hmmm!” briefly canon
pale arasol with crossed out heart- something there was canon but idk what quadrant
meowrails- circled, “durrr!” forever canon
pale karkat/kanaya- not canon but i could see it maybe
and then some i can’t see

004196 “CG: I COULD HATE A HOLE IN PARADOX SPACE ITSELF, STRAIGHT THROUGH TO A NEW REALITY FRESH FOR THE HATING.” karkat is that foreshadowing

004202 that looks suspiciously like the symbol for blood. aso could be seen as a representation of the theorised powers of blood players? like with how jack uses it to bond with karkat and form a truce

004206 sburb also seems to push friendship and teamwork as themes

004215 there are green bones all around aradia’s frog temple. there don’t appear to be any around kanaya’s. aren’t green bones one of those things that is going to be relevant in future?

004243 “A: you knoww thats wwhat it wwould be there wwould be rainboww rivvers runnin through star systems and all nebulizin like liquid firewworks
CA: it wwill be beautiful and heartbreaking all at once ” is this foreshadowing of the red miles?

004252 RUUUUUUUUUUUFIIIIIIIIIIIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

004253 “But unfortunately, Rufio is not real. He’s imaginary. A fake. Like a made up friend, the way fairies are.” but both fairies and rufio (rufioh) are real.

004258 what is it with red shoes (actually aren’t the shoes in wizard of oz that send you home red? could be relevant)

004270 vriska says she believes in tavros when sending him to the 7th gate (although isn’t she actually tricking him into her land? idk)

004277 this and a bunch of pages previously is basically vriska doing a creepy pupa pan roleplay which could be relevant but probably not (i think the peter pan metaphor is different to the magic one)

004287 “Pupa remains as pathetic and useless as ever. The stardust did nothing! Probably because it is just glittery powder with no magical properties whatsoever and is basically bullshit. Because in case it wasn’t clear, magic isn’t real, and neither are miracles.” maybe special stardust is real? notably tavros’ eyes go kind of swirly reminscent of the cherubs, which is probably unintentional but could be important. also miracles are also stated to be not real, so maybe they are. (note: gamzee hella believes in miracles so maybe it is important) pupa pan and unnamed fairy’s adventures are described as “magical”

004335 gl’bgoly’b is a white horrorterror. this is probably irrelevant

004339 eridan’s introduction: “You also like MAGIC, even though you know it to be FAKE. Like a made up friend, the way wizards are. Made up make believe FAKEY FAKEY FAKES. It’s still fun though.” gonna think more about this later when i have all the dots

004341 “You would also look forward to using your reign to UNITE THE TWO RACES. You were told you would do this one day by your lusus, even if it does contradict her message of extinction. Oh well, you suppose NOT ALL PROPHECIES CAN COME TRUE.” feferi thinks this is about landdwellers and sea trolls, however that does not appear to happen. it could be about humans and trolls (maybe cherubs? idk), but that also doesn’t happen i don’t think? although maybe it’s true that not all prophecies can come true, and this one isn’t going to. god this is complicated. although not all prophecies coming true could imply there are some other bits of prophecy/foreshadowing that are not going to be fulfilled.

004346 stars around eridan’s wand are labeled “fake”. eridan definitely does not believe in magic.

004356 ahab’s crosshairs are about as powerful as the riflekind abstractus will allow. maybe there’s a more powerful rifle somewhere?

004375 about sollux’s death:
“TC: BeCaUsE ThErE Is a mIrAcLe cOmInG, i cAn fEeL It
CA: that is the wworst fuckin advvice
CA: wwhat an awwful thing a you to say
CA: MAGIC ISNT REAL STUPID STOP BELIEVVIN IN IT
TC: i’Ve gOt tO BeLiEvE At wHaT My hEaRt tElLs iN Me, EvEn iF It’s a fAkE ThInG”
so gamzee either believes in miracles despite them being fake, or does not give a shit about their fakeness. eridan does give a shit about them being fake though. although i should note that sollux is revived, so that could kind of be a miracle? it would be normally.
“CA: i dont havve a fuckin faygo you stupid fuck wwhy wwould i keep that disgusting shit on hand
TC: ArE YoU MoThErFuCkIn sUrE AbOuT ThAt?
CA: oh
CA: oh god youre right i do
CA: i totally forgot about it
TC: YoU SeE MaN
TC: MoThEr
TC: FuCkIn
TC: MiRaClEs
TC: :o)”
how does gamzee know this. is it a miracle.

004386 oh no it’s the hussie cosplay bit. like the troll cosplay bit.

004397 first appearance of this image. it refers to romance rather than murder. however it still showcases hussie’s control over the thing.

004447 “PAT: i DONT THINK IT’S rUFIO THIS TIME,
PAT: rUFIO’S NOT THAT ANGRY,
PAT: hE’S ALSO IMAGINARY,
PAT: lIKE, a FAKE MADE UP FRIEND,
PAT: yOU KNOW, lIKE,
PAT: tHE WAY FAIRIES ARE, }:( ”
so tavros hears rufio the same way as he hears hb
“PAG: Now pick yourself up off the floor so we can go wring some fucking treasure out of this misera8le magic rock! ” vriska about lomat

004467 “FCG: I CAN’T SHAKE THE FEELING SOMEONE ELSE MUST BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS.
FCG: IT DOESN’T SEEM LIKE IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN IN OUR SESSION.
FCG: SOLLUX HAS THE SAME INTUITION ABOUT IT AS ME, HE THINKS THERE’S SOMETHING FII2HY ABOUT IT. ” it’s lord english’s fault probably.

004467 kanaya thinks magic is real. karkat is not so sure given all the science and game stuff and things:
“CGA: I Was Just Wondering Given Your Vantage Of Hindsight
CGA: If Youd Had Cause To Observe At Any Point In Time
CGA: Magic
FCG: UH…
CGA: Like Real Magic
CGA: I Guess What Im Asking Is
CGA: Is Magic A Real Thing
FCG: WOW, YOU’RE RIGHT, THAT’S KIND OF THE DUMBEST FUCKING QUESTION I’VE EVER HEARD.
CGA: I Know
CGA: Its Just That I Have A Good Reason To Believe Magic Is Real
CGA: Our Ancient Predecessors Discovered How To Use It
CGA: But Then They May Have Surpassed Us In Skill By A Great Deal
FCG: YOU PUT WAY TOO MUCH STOCK IN THAT RATTY OLD GUIDE.
FCG: BUT ANYWAY NO, WE NEVER USED MAGIC.
FCG: I MEAN, LET ME TRY TO PUT INTO PERSPECTIVE HOW RIDICULOUS THE WHOLE NOTION IS ANYWAY.
FCG: WE CAN ALCHEMIZE PRACTICALLY ANYTHING WITH THE RIGHT MATERIALS AND GRIST.
FCG: WE CAN, AND DID, MAKE SUPER POWERFUL WEAPONS AND ITEMS THAT CAN DO PRACTICALLY ANYTHING.
FCG: WHAT ADDITIONAL ADVANTAGE COULD MAGIC OFFER? ALL THIS SHIT IS PRACTICALLY MAGIC ANYWAY.
FCG: BUT MORE LIKE
FCG: GOOFY SCIENCEY MAGIC. YOU KNOW?
CGA: Sure
FCG: BUT EVERYTHING HERE IS KIND OF MAGIC IN A WAY, ISN’T IT.
FCG: FORTUNE TELLING DREAM CLOUDS AND GOLDEN MOONS AND SHIT.
FCG: IF YOU LOOK AROUND
FCG: THERE’S MAGIC EVERYWHERE IN THIS BITCH.
FCG: IT’S ALL AROUND US.
FCG: MOTHER FUCKIN MIRACLES, RIGHT?
CGA: Heh
FCG: WHAT DO YOU NEED MAGIC FOR ANYWAY?
CGA: Im Running Out Of Ideas
CGA: I Need To Figure Out A Way To Stoke This Volcano
CGA: In Case You And The Others Are Successful In Recovering The Queens Ring
FCG: YOU’LL FIGURE IT OUT.
FCG: AND YOU WON’T NEED MAGIC, TRUST ME.
FCG: JUST BE PATIENT, THE ANSWER WILL COME TO YOU SOMEHOW. ”
like this is literally a conversation about whether or not magic exists, and the conclusion is that no, but the stuff they were doing was basically magic.
this is probably a real important conversation.

004503 what is the great undoing exactly? i’m not sure it’s ever explained (it could be the simultaneous destruction of both universes in cascade, idk)

004506 “CAA: f0r a dem0n wh0 is indestructible
CAA: 0mnip0tent
CAA: and enraged” seems to be referring to bec noir here, but idk if that’s a fiiting description. it seems more suited to le.

004555 the breeze seems similar to the windy thing

004588-004592 rose is basically doing magic

004605 “GT: and then he kind of preached to her about having faith instead of believing in the sciences so hard all the time, and i guess in the end she believed him, maybe?
GT: actually, im not even sure what the point of mcconaughey was in that movie. but he was still awesome.
GT: and then jodie found her dad on an alien planet… but i think he was a ghost or something? or maybe an alien in disguise.
GT: and then she went home and nobody believed her, but you just KNOW mcconaughey believed her.
GT: because he had all the faith. and i mean ALL OF IT. ”
is this relevant? the answer is i have no idea

idk if i got this down so:
003838 rose does magic

004617n rose does a bunch of magic according to kanaya’s timeline thing

004618 rose does magic to destroy her first gate

004621 more magic

004627 rose just keeps doing magic doesn’t she

004628 more magic, and this:
“GA: I Think Its Kind Of A Reckless Use Of
TT: Of what?
GA: These Forces
TT: Dark magic, you mean?
GA: Yes
GA: Well
GA: Influence By The Gods From The Furthest Ring ”
rose thinks it’s magic, but it seems to be powers of the horrorterrors- is rose really doing magic here? was she when she used the wizard needles rather than the thorns of oglogoth?
also:
“GA: Travelers From Such Branches Are Marked For Death
GA: And Though It Was Only An Insubstantial Part Of You Which Traveled
GA: Just Memories I Suppose
GA: Its Still Troubling ”
is this foreshadowing for rose dying? (i mean she does die and get god tier and stuff, but maybe it’s not foreshadowing for that? maybe it’s for permadeath or something?)
and:
“GA: Skaia Was Always The Foil For My Curiosity
GA: But It Only Showed Me What I Needed To See
GA: It Very Much Had The Presence Of Something Sentient
GA: And
GA: Benevolent
GA: But Silent
GA: Not Something To Converse With Or Be Instructed By
GA: Or Anything With An Agenda Beyond Which It Knows To Be Manifest Already
GA: Like A Very Clear Mirror
GA: That Has Everything There Is To See Inside It
GA: But Only Some Things Are Visible At Any Given Moment
GA: I Always Trusted It
GA: And I Dont Trust Gods That Would Eschew Its Light ”
interesting exposition on skaia’s sentience or lack thereof, which is debatable

004629-004631 more magic

004631 is this a captchalogue card for the green sun. can you captchalogue the green sun. has someone captchalogued the green sun. that seems like a terrible idea in so many ways

004632 according to john jesus was magic (let’s play “put far too much importance on this statement”. could this mean that the sufferer, or, by extension, karkat or kankri, are magic?)

0046800 about dave’s sweet dance moves
“TG: theres just magic in these shoes and the coy gnome i ransacked wants them goddamn back ”

004692 (alterniabound) when finding a FAIRY POSTER: lovely, albeit imaginary.
when finding a box of FRUIT TROLLUPS: there’s a betty crocker logo with troll horns, and the comment “Troll Crocker’s vile tendrils are everywhere.” i’m really not sure what to think of this.
conversation between terezi and tavros: tavros says something about confidence.
TAVROS: lIKE, aS IF rUFIO GAVE ME BOTH THE HIGH FIVES HE HAS actually you know what if i need to record a conversation in a flash i’m capping it
on getting a FAIRY POSTER: “Yep, pretty much nothing that’s not fake about fairies, that’s for sure.”
oh yeah eridan also has a pile of shitty wands
on getting another FAIRY POSTER (i should note the first was as karkat, then terezi, then vriska):“Faaaaaaaake.”

004705 aah yes the conversation about magic between rose and eridan:
“CA: wwho are you tryin to convvince wwith this ludicrous poppycock
TT: ?
CA: magic is NOT REAL
CA: wwhatevver youre doin its not real its somethin else outright entirely
CA: its fancy and impressivve and all but its not the fuckin figmental storybook claptrap you wwanna make out like it is
CA: so howw about you get off your high skyhorse
TT: Why do you keep addressing me as if I’m some sort of spokesperson for the reality of magic?
TT: You can’t needle me into a defensive posture on the subject. I just don’t care.
CA: youre not usin magic just DEAL WW IT
TT: Fine. You win.
TT: These are science wands. I am a charlatan.
CA: ok i didnt say that ”
and then later:
“CA: yeah and in return maybe you could teach me howw to bullshit magic like that
TT: You want to learn magic?
CA: yes teach me your secrets wwitch
TT: Sure. Let’s begin.
TT: Consider this your first lesson in showmanship.”

004706 rose does magic and blows up eridan’s computer

004708 maybe relevant?
“AA: what d0 y0u think y0ure d0ing!
AA: just st0p
AA: st0p st0p st0p st0p st0p st0p
AA: maybe if i say st0p en0ugh s0mething else will happen instead 0f the thing that d0es
TT: Hi.
AA: y0u arent g0ing t0 st0p are y0u
TT: Do you want me to stop using magic too?
AA: n0 i d0nt care ab0ut that
AA: its y0ur quest t0 tear y0ur sessi0n apart
AA: i kn0w its exciting
AA: breaking stuff
AA: and n0t w0rrying ab0ut it
AA: but there are c0nsequences t0 hum0ring y0ur destructive impulses
AA: and c0nsequences t0 f0ll0wing
TT: ?
AA: what they say
TT: Who?
AA: y0u kn0w wh0 ”

004716 so rose hasn’t completed her personal development quest
“JASPERSPRITE: But i really think you should consider going on the quest i said anyway!
ROSE: Why?
JASPERSPRITE: Because its not just an important thing to do to win the game.
JASPERSPRITE: I dont know i hope im not being too pushy rose its not my place to be im just your cat!
JASPERSPRITE: But the thing that made me how i am now seems to really want me to say this to you.
JASPERSPRITE: Your quest is really important for you to do.
JASPERSPRITE: Not really because thats how to get the prize.
JASPERSPRITE: But because its what you need to do for yourself!”

004725 could be foreshadowing?
“TG: used to be dictated
TG: til the rapocalypse happened
TG: i still believe though
TG: in my heart so long as it keeps thumping the righteous beat
TG: subwoofing out devotion every which way
TG: that he will come
TG: our savior
TG: was foretold hed come after meteors show up to drop it like its hot
TG: and hed gather up the ashes of our civilization and lift it like its heavy
TG: fuck im tearing up my ishades are gonna fry”

004733 dave going on about heroes
“TG: fuck who cares
TG: like i even give a shit about being a hero whatever that even means ”

003822 rose has a magic crystal ball
“TT: I have a crystal ball.
EB: oh man, really?
TT: Yes.
EB: like a magic one?
TT: I think so. ”
and again:
“EB: i just mean that before, it felt like we were in this adventure together, figuring stuff out as we went along.
EB: and now you have all the answers! because of magic, and other mysterious reasons!
EB: and you want to use your powers to break the game, and i still don’t really understand why, and… ”
“TT: I’m not actually trying to caricaturize a grim sorcerer.
TT: There’s still a perfectly intact piece of my mind which realizes how ridiculous it is to be flying across rainbow oceans with a couple of magic wands and a salamander in a little cowl.
TT: And it wasn’t without swallowing a little embarrassment that I revealed I was using a crystal ball just now.
TT: It’s all pretty absurd. ”
“EB: because you know everything, and you’re magic, and you have a crystal ball, and a salamander, and you are basically a wizard.
EB: and that’s cool, and it sure does sound fun… ”

004823 “EB: maybe later, i will drop by your planet again and rescue you, thus breaking the spooky spell put on you by your nefarious, shadowy masters.
TT: Swoon!
EB: that way you will stop being so grimdark and ominous, and basically completely off the deep end in every way, as is now painfully obvious to anyone with a brain.
TT: I will do by best to occupy myself as benignly and unmagically as possible until you show up.
EB: yes.
EB: please write some happy stories in your journal, about lively horses, and conspicuously not about wizards, or sadness. ”
“TT: I need to make a note of this.
TT: Excuse me while I open this tome bound in the tanned, writhing flesh of a tortured hellscholar. The screaming will subside shortly.
EB: ok, i will wait patiently.
TT: Continue to not be alarmed as I record your advice with runes stroked in the black tears bled from the corruption-weary eyes of fifty thousand imaginary occultists.
TT: And then brace yourself for the fabled blackdeath trance of the woegothics I will slip into, while quaking in the bloodeldritch throes of the broodfester tongues.
EB: no, rose!
EB: that sort of nonsense is exactly what is out of the question!
EB: i see things are more urgent than i realized.
EB: i will have to venture there straightaway, and slap you right out of that silly old trance!
TT: One is not easily shaken from the broodfester tongues, John.
TT: They are stubborn throes. ”

004875 in this context it’s about bec noir
“AG: Regardless of what I did, he is already here.
AG: I know this consequence will 8e hard for you to accept, 8ut whenever you feel angry or confused a8out it, just repeat this to yourself.
AG: It should 8ecome your mantra!
AG: He is already here.”

004876 is luck like magic?
“EB: is luck actually a real thing?
AG: Yes, and I’ve got all of it. I am completely untoucha8le. ” luck does seem to be real though

004887 dream rose’s “dream bubbles” book by charles dutton:
december 1st, 1995
I slept and saw God’s forge in frost. Its hearth was quelled,and as it cooled so swooned the verdancy it kept above. In slumber it grew a thick winter skin, white as bedsheets. In their folds the waker dreamt, her breath as steam, her touch as hot as iron, forgotten in the fire.
Oh, that this too too solid flesh would melt, thaw and resolve itself into a dew!
on the next page it says charles dutton is an “Acclaimed actor and sleeping prophet”

004929 maybe relevant?
“TG: managing the loops is a balance of careful planning and just rolling with your in the moment decisions
TG: and trusting they were the ones you were always supposed to make”

004936 rose threatens magic?
“TT: If you don’t stop nakking, I will turn you into a thorn bush.”

004939-004940 rose is doing magic
and this could be relevant what with vriska’s map?
“TT: They will teach you how to navigate the unnavigable.
TT: The result should be a map.
TG: like
TG: a treasure map
TT: No.
TT: Something a little more astronomical.
TT: Like a star chart with no stars.
TT: Hence the challenge.
TG: why
TT: To plot a course through the Furthest Ring. ”

004943 more magic courtesy of rose

004945 foreshadowing?
“GA: Your Hubris Is Really Astonishing
GA: Easily Twice The Mass Of A Universe I Think
GA: That It Hasnt Collapsed Upon Itself Into A Tiny Lavender Singularity Is The Most Striking Marvel Paradox Space Has Coughed Up Yet”
“GA: Im So Glad You Asked
GA: You See
GA: I Have Been Training A Powerful Wizard” magic

004946 “GA: Yes Your Shout Pole Is Like A Tower Broadcasting Your Fear Across The Ring And You Are Right To Be Afraid
GA: I Have Commissioned None Other Than The Legendary Prince Of Hope And I Am Teaching Him The Ways Of White Sorcery
GA: I Have Observed Your Methods And You Will Come To The Most Unwelcome Realization That All Of Your Guile And Cunning Has Finally Backfired
GA: This Noble Magician Of Pure Light Will Serve As The Counterpoint To Your Arcane Debauchery
GA: He Will Hunt You Down And Goodness And Hope Will Prevail”
kanaya helping eridan be a wwizard of wwhite science!!!!!

004947 so kanaya made eridan a wand as a joke adnd really didn’t expect it to escalate like it did
“T: What will herald the arrival of this swift and righteous thaumaturge?
TT: Will I be blinded by the fearsome lashes of light ribboning from the incandescent coastline of his beauteous aura?”
“GA: I Did In Fact "Train” This Character
GA: I Made Him A Wand To Shut Him Up
TT: Wait, you did? Really?
GA: He Wouldnt Stop Harassing Me For Your “Secrets”
TT: That’s incredible. Well done.
GA: Hes The One With The Royalty Complex And Speaks With All The Extra Vees And Doubleyous"

004955 jade doesn’t like blue girls? this is probably a reference to vriska/aranea
“GG: when i was REALLY young, i was sure the doll sitting across from him did it
GG: and for a long time i was terrified of the evil blue girl!!!
GG: she sort of haunted my childhood and i had trouble sleeping for a long time”

004956 okay this is important
“AT: iT IS HEAVY DUTY BUSINESS, aND NEEDS TO BE GIVEN ALL THE SERIOUSNESS THAT SAD THINGS GET,
AT: i’VE LEARNED THAT, fROM MY FRIENDS, AND ALSO, FROM RUFIO,
GG: rufio?
AT: yES, hE’S A FAKE,
GG: what do you mean fake?
AT: a FAKE GUY i MADE UP IMAGINARILY,
AT: hE NEVER STOPS BEING A THING THAT’S NOT REAL,
GG: ohh like an imaginary friend….
GG: heh, ok
AT: i’M PRETENDING THAT BEING FULLY HONEST ABOUT RUFIO’S FAKENESS, AND,
AT: bEING UP FRONT ABOUT HIS GENERAL FRAUDULENCE, tHAT IT WILL ONLY GIVE ME EXTRA CONFIDENCE,
AT: i’M PRETENDING THAT AS HARD AS i CAN, iN THE MOST CONFIDENT WAY,
AT: wHICH MAKES IT PARTIALLY MORE TRUE,
GG: that
GG: sure is a philosophy you have there!”

004960 “AG: Are you even listening to me? Man, clear the Rufio wax out of your ears. probably not that relevant

004974 and a few pages previous: the long magic dog hussie rides to fuck up some bullies has le eyes. this is probably relevant bc the long magic dog is from the neverending story and the cherubs are also associated with that.

004978 john go complete your land’s quest
"The clouds have returned. The fireflies are still trapped. The spell remains unbroken.”

004981 “AG: I am giving you the option, 8ecause at some point a hero has to start making choices.
AG: Once you take a 8r8k from hunting treasure and stop getting distracted 8y side quests, you eventually realize that’s what this game is all a8out.
AG: The choices you make affect the destiny of the universe you cre8te, as well as the type of hero you 8ecome.”

004995 “GC: P4R4DOX SP4C3 1S PR3TTY V1C1OUS 4BOUT PUN1SH1NG THOS3 1N V1OL4T1ON OF 1TS PL4N
TG: punishing
GC: SUR3
GC: 1T F1NDS W4YS TO 4NN1H1L4T3 TH3 P4THS WH1CH DO NOT CONTR1BUT3 CONSTRUCT1V3LY TO 1TS OWN PROP4G4T1ON
GC: 4ND 1T 1S 3QU4LLY M3RC1L3SS TO THOS3 WHO 1NH4B1T TH3M, 4ND 1N P4RT1CUL4R, THOS3 WHO C4US3 TH3M

004997 "GC: OK TH3N 1LL JUST 4SK TH1S
GC: HOW MUCH OF YOUR R34L1TY DO YOU TH1NK 1S M4D3 OF WH4TS 1N YOUR M1ND?
TG: i dont know sounds like a riddle
TG: fuck it ill just say all of it
TG: i mean that is the answer right
GC: SM4RT4SS >:P
GC: 1T 1S NOT 4 R1DDL3, 1T 1S 4 S3R1OUS QU3ST1ON, TH3R3 1S 4 B1G D1FF3R3NC3 D4V3
GC: 1F YOU S33 WH4TS 1N YOUR M1ND CL34RLY 4ND UND3RST4ND TH3 POW3R YOUR THOUGHTS H4V3
GC: TH3N YOU UND3RST4ND R34L1TY WH1L3 3V3RYON3 3LS3 1S RUNN1NG 4ROUND CONFUS3D 4ND 4NGRY 4ND UPS3T
GC: B3C4US3 TH3Y TH1NK R34L1TY 1S SOM3TH1NG H4PP3N1NG TO TH3M
GC: R4TH3R TH4N SOM3TH1NG TH3Y 4R3 M4K1NG 3V3RY MOM3NT W1TH 3V3RY THOUGHT”
“GC: 1 4M NOT PSYCH1C, BUT 1 H4V3 TH3 S1GHT S33RS 4R3 M34NT TO H4V3
GC: 1T W4S MY ROL3 TO H4V3 1T
GC: TO T4LK TO P3OPL3 4ND S33 TH3 TUNN3LS 4ND VORT1C3S 1N TH31R M1NDS 4ND TO UND3RST4ND TH3 R34L1T13S TH3Y WOULD CR34T3 1F THOS3 THOUGHTS L34D TO 4CT1ON
GC: FOR MY 3N3M13S, 1 W4S M34NT TO BR1NG 4BOUT TH3 1NH3R3NT R3TR1BUT1ON FLOW1NG FROM TH3 R34L1TY M4D3 BY TH31R OWN 3V1L THOUGHTS
GC: 4ND FOR MY FR13NDS, TO PROT3CT TH3M FROM TH31R T3ND3NCY TO UND3R3ST1M4T3 TH3 POW3R TH31R CONFUS1ON H4S OV3R TH31R F4T3
GC: TO K33P TH3M OUT OF TROUBL3, D4V3 >:]”
“GC: 1 KNOW TH4T YOU W3R3 ON TO SOM3TH1NG WH3N YOU S41D LUCK W4SNT 1NVOLV3D W1TH TH3 CO1N FL1P
TG: yeah because
TG: you didnt even look
TG: it was like
TG: schrodingers fucking coin
TG: and then
TG: it turned into schrodingers fucking dave
GC: R1CKY SCHROD1NG3R?
TG: yeah
GC: W3LL Y3S, TH4T M4Y B3 TRU3, BUT 3V3N SO 1 DO KNOW TH4T LUCK 1S 4 V3RY R34L TH1NG!
GC: FORTUN3 1S TH3 3SS3NC3 OF L1GHT, 4ND 1T SH1N3S ON THOS3 WHOV3 M4ST3R3D 1T
GC: BUT 1 KNOW SOM3TH1NG MOR3 1MPORT4NT TH4N TH1S
GC: 1T 1S 4 B1G S3CR3T
GC: M4YB3 TH3 B1GG3ST 4ND MOST 1MPORT4NT S3CR3T OF 4LL
TG: what”

004998 “GC: LUCK DO3SNT 4CTU4LLY M4TT3R >8]”

005067 this gun looks like the one lord english used

005075 “CA: wwevve got the same abstratus
CA: and i dont need this thing anymore
CA: since i became more powwerful than you could evver imagine as a mighty wwizard of wwhite science
CA: so you might as wwell take it and settle your score wwith that awwful wwitch”
“GG: rose just sent me a code for a crystal ball, shes my friend and is basically the best!
CA: oh i see so she shared her "magic secrets” wwith you then
CA: its probably a trap i wwouldnt trust her"
“CA: but the thing is i need a rivval wwho can pose me a challenge
CA: and frankly shes not evven fit for holdin my cape anymore
CA: at this point i find all her adorable black pixie dabblins to be prime kiddie playtime shit
CA: all of her FRAUDULENT MAGICS cannot come close to posin threat to my mastery ovver the TRUEST SCIENCES
CA: an wwith my empiricists wwand i servve as the righteous hope that wwill incinerate delusion and the deluded alike
CA: my holy fire is the wwhite fury bled from the wwrath-wweary eyes of fifty thousand nonfictional angels
CA: and wwhen theyre finished wweepin they wwill boww before their prince
GG: wow what are you talking about
CA: so really you should be honored to inherit my old callin
CA: both my armaments and my feud
CA: itll be wwitch against wwitch
CA: a real one vvs an impostor
CA: faker one dies

005076 ahab’s crosshairs costs 16,777,215 build grist, is this relevant i do not know. also:
"CA: i got bigger ships to sink and soon wwhen im good and ready me and my luminous fuckin science stick havve got a date wwith jack noir”
“CA: and for the record
CA: evven though i said that stuff about bein fated to find my gun
CA: fate isnt real
CA: its a lot of FAKE FUCKIN HORSEFEATHERS
CA: noww go and be cleansed by the light of truth purity nonfakeness hope and abovve all SCIENCE” but everything that’s happened so far is predestined, how is that not fate

005133 i don’t even know if this is foreshadowing
“This insubordination is putting me in a foul mood. It’s bad enough I just had to take Falcor out behind the woodshed and blow his brains out after he caught the rabies.”

005138 so was eridan doing actual magic? it was implied to be magic when rose blew up eridan’s computer
“Realizing the new rifle would serve as a sort of heirloom to her grandson, she decided to discard it outside her house, and allow it to reach her grandson eventually however it may. Eridan then blew up her Johnnytop.”

005153 about the fourth wall hussie’s behind “CG: I’M NOT GOING TO SAY MUCH ABOUT IT.
CG: BUT SUFFICE TO SAY THERE ARE JUST SOME THINGS YOU DON’T WANT TO SCREW WITH.
CG: THERE ARE OUTCOMES THAT ARE EVEN WORSE THAN THE COMPLETE ANNIHILATION OF EXISTENCE ITSELF
CG: FORCES MORE DAMAGING TO THE INTEGRITY OF REALITY THAN THOSE CAPABLE OF TURNING IMAGINATION INTO PURE VOID
CG: THEY ARE FORCES WHICH IF HANDLED RECKLESSLY WILL NULLIFY THE BASIC ABILITY OF INTELLIGENT BEINGS IN ALL REAL AND HYPOTHETICAL PLANES OF EXISTENCE TO GIVE A SHIT. ”

005205 “GA: Also It Isnt Technically Witch Of Spacey Stuff
GA: I Was A Sylph Not A Witch
GG: oh
GG: what is a sylph?
GA: I Think Its Sort Of Like A Witch
GA: But More Magical
GG: a magical witch???
GA: Yes Im Completely Certain Of That Suddenly”

005218 is the fact that the frog is in an 8 ball relevant?

005219 like the antithesis to the vast honk? “GA: Hes Known As The Speaker Of The Vast Croak
GG: hehehe
GG: CROOOOOOAK
GA: Yes The Croak Really Is Quite Vast And Is Something To Behold
GA: Its The Most Amazing Thing I Have Seen”

005220 we still don’t know what made jade wake up on prospit
“GA: Youre Lucky That Your Awakening Probably Had No Such Entanglements
GG: jeez, i hope not…”

005221 a whole bunch of things i capped about magic, plus eridan does magic at the end

005221 eridan has a magic/science duel with sollux

005223 and beats him

005224 more magic

005228 magic. some if it sort of looks like the cadeceus symbol?

005231 eridan’s magicscience

005232 ditto

005234 ditto

005238 closeup of the wwand of wwhite science

005242 magic

005243 eridan uses magic to perfectly fulfil his role as the prince of hope. it is specifically stated that the matriorb is destroyed with hope

005246 magic 🙁

005255 “don’t turn your back on the body” still seems to be foreshadowing as i don’t think it’s been fully fulfilled yet